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Has anybody seen http://www.fastseduction.com/ ? The men that patronize this site and buy the books and services advertised there . . . well, I have no understanding of them. The people responsible for this site must leave trails behind them like slugs wherever they walk. Everything in a man's interaction with a woman, for them, is focused on getting laid, laid, laid. There's a little valid pop psychology there that has to do with interacting favorably with ANYONE, but anything noble is drowned out by the trumpet call of "get her into bed TONIGHT!"

Much more respectable are books like The Art of Seduction by Robert Greene and The Way of the Superior Man by David Deida.

I already own the Greene book, which is scrupulously researched and respectfully written, and which uses hundreds of anecdotes from 2500 years of European and Asian literature to make its points. You will not find the phrase "how to get laid" in it anywhere, and it seems equally useful to men and women. It does however, have the annoying habit of referring to the one you lust after as the "victim."

Not farther down the spectrum, but more of at an angle to it, is the Deida book, which reads a little like a collaboration between Robert Bly and Deepak Chopra. I bought this one today, just speculating. It also is written in a very respectful tone, but I don't completely trust any book with chapter titles like "Ejaculate Up the Spine."

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[info]dysgr8mystake wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2006 05:38 am (UTC)
"Ejaculate up the spine"

Awesome. For that reason alone, I thumbs-up this post.
[info]nezchan wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2006 09:20 pm (UTC)
Not thumbs-up the spine, I hope. It's full of ejaculate!
[info]wussycat wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2006 05:44 am (UTC)
"Ejaculate Up the Spine"

Double-yoo. Tee. Eff.
[info]kitashla wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2006 05:48 am (UTC)
If you ejaculate up the spine, doesn't that mean you missed the target that is the tramp stamp?

As for books that either help you get laid or just help you find a partner, I never put much stock in such things. I think that the kind of personality that the people who buy those books are looking for is not something that can be learned. It's something you either have or you don't have.

The biggest thing is the ability to read people. You can't necessarily teach someone how to pick up on those subtle but important cues. And picking up on those cues are the biggest part of "getting laid". (Or just getting a date.)

So, I generally believe that most of those books are a rather large waste of money.
[info]david_deacon wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2006 05:56 am (UTC)
Well, probably, but my point was that not all books of that sort have titles like Get Laid in Thirty Days and so forth. Some of them are written in a tone that is respectful of women and doesn't leave you feeling like Disco Stu or Bob Guccione after you get through reading it.
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[info]weefz wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2006 09:57 am (UTC)
Yeah, it's a pity about fastseduction.com. There's some good stuff about making people (women) feel good when they're with you and making sure they're happy and treating them with respect but it's intermingled with, as you say, "Get her into bed!" It's too easy to lose the good bits behind all the manipulation.
[info]two_stabs wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2006 11:11 am (UTC)
Haven't you ever ejaculated up the spine?
[info]two_stabs wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2006 11:11 am (UTC)
The one key is:

If you don't love 'em, don't kiss 'em during sex!
[info]nezchan wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2006 09:18 pm (UTC)
But don't forget to leave a tip.
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[info]david_deacon wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2006 11:57 am (UTC)
I wanted to make a serious post about a couple of books that concern male/female relations, and most of the comments so far have centered on "Disco Stu" and "ejaculate up the spine." *rolls eyes*
[info]genericangstylj wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2006 02:21 pm (UTC)
Hehe... you said "ejaculate."
[info]athenagrace wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2006 02:41 pm (UTC)
Oh crap, I looked at the fast seduction site -- they have more acronyms than the U.S.military. "About 2 months ago I sarged a HB7 which I'd known for years but hadn't tried to PU her untill I come across SS, ASF and DYD. After successfully PU'ing her I decided she was fit material for an LTR."

Well whiskey tango foxtrot, my son. Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

Anyways, I'm not surprised that there are shitty and superior dating/seduction advice for men, cause it exists for women as well. Hello, The Rules anyone? I'm sure there are some decent books for men out there, it just depends on the focus and the goal -- if you want to just bang a chick, then go to the website. If you honestly want something, try one of these books.

Oh, and ejaculate up the spine. Hehehehehehe
[info]bunnyface23 wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2006 02:50 pm (UTC)
I think the reason why hardly anyone has made serious comments about this is because... really, what can you say other than, "Ew! gross!"

I think the fact that these books exist and that there are people out there who take them seriously may well be proof that hey, we may still need feminism... and that some dudes need some serious deprogramming-type education about gender relations. Hey! Fellas! Women = people!
[info]dialogic wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2006 02:55 pm (UTC)
I think the fact that these books exist and that there are people out there who take them seriously may well be proof that hey, we may still need feminism...

Yes, and the book I linked to is the reason we still need masculism.
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[info]dialogic wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2006 02:54 pm (UTC)
[info]chessdev wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2006 03:06 pm (UTC)
Read the user comments -- of the 3 reviews, 2 of them believe the book is a comedy.
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[info]mlfoley wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2006 04:57 pm (UTC)
I laugh at men who need these books.
[info]david_deacon wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2006 05:05 pm (UTC)
OK, but I was drawing the distinction between the hypothetical Get Laid in Thirty Days (and the fastseduction web site) and the above two books in terms of tone, respect for women, and general level of class. Point being that most of the "relationship" books in the pop-psychology section of the bookstore are aimed at women. Very few are written for a male audience. So when you see one, it's a rarity. The Robert Greene book seems to apply equally well to men or women, for instance.
[info]mlfoley wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2006 05:57 pm (UTC)
It's an entire industry based around nonsense. Is it really that hard to try to relate to a person on a personal level? Does one really need to read a bunch of books on "how to pick up guys/girls"?

Even if the books are respectful, it's still a tad silly in general.
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[info]dysgr8mystake wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2006 05:02 pm (UTC)
Semi-serious comment; If any man ever told me he was seriously looking to these books to help him get a girl, I'd probably mark him down as a serious never-date prospect. I realize some guys have social problems and shyness issues and all kinds of things, but you don't need a book to tell you how to interact with people; the best way is to simply interact with people, and learn from your mistakes.
[info]two_stabs wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2006 05:54 pm (UTC)
Hey everyone, read this comment!!
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[info]mlfoley wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2006 05:59 pm (UTC)
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The sort of men who need these books
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[info]cgallivan wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2006 10:30 pm (UTC)
Shyness is not that easy to overcome.
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[info]njyoder wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2006 08:44 pm (UTC)
Ejaculate up the spine!
I wondered what that meant, so I looked it up and got these two explanations:

"According to Vedic tradition this energy circulation is interrupted by ejaculation and the practitioners of kundalini yoga strive to redirect the ejaculate up the spine rather than out of the circuit as would happen with regular ejaculation."
-http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/Orgasm.htm

"I’m also practising something which helps you ejaculate up the spine-just what am I talking about-okay here’s the deal when you have an orgasm you waste precious life force and that can leave you feeling depleted and out of energy. There is an art to having an orgasm where instead of wasting your life force and feeling all zoned out, you can actually have an orgasm that nourishes and replenishes your body, not only is this healthy but it’s been recommended in various mystical traditions think Kama Sutra ya’ll. Do you think it’s just a display of different sexual positions-No it’s a meditative practise that opens your body to the moment allowing you to become and instrument of divine revelation as expressed through the art of making love."
-http://akashom.blogspot.com/2006_01_19_akashom_archive.html

I can't tell if they're trying to be literal or not, but I'm pretty sure that actual semen on your spine isn't a good thing.
[info]weefz wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2006 11:35 pm (UTC)
Re: Ejaculate up the spine!
Sounds like that thing where guys have an orgasm but don't ejaculate.

Supposedly very nice and means they can keep going without the 5-20 minute rest period that most guys need after coming (Oh, yeah and all that spiritural jazz too). Happened to a guy I was with once. He was very confused but he recovered pretty quick with a "Hey, still hard. Lets keep going."
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